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		<title>By: RL Policar</title>
		<link>http://www.mtnbikeriders.com/2008/06/12/69er-conversion-complete/#comment-26173</link>
		<dc:creator>RL Policar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

I felt beat up after riding my 69er rigid for 12 miles. I'm not convinced that there's an overall benefit to it, so I went back to my old ways of a front suspension 26er. 

But I do have another project bike I'm currently working on that may or may not incorporate some steel...more to come!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>I felt beat up after riding my 69er rigid for 12 miles. I&#8217;m not convinced that there&#8217;s an overall benefit to it, so I went back to my old ways of a front suspension 26er. </p>
<p>But I do have another project bike I&#8217;m currently working on that may or may not incorporate some steel&#8230;more to come!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.mtnbikeriders.com/2008/06/12/69er-conversion-complete/#comment-26172</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just recently reconfigured my Klein Attitude with a rigid Surly fork and a 29 inch front wheel.  The ride was decent.  Leaving front suspension behind may prove to be the breaker for me, however.  The 29 inch front wheel rolls nicely over the little twigs, but by the end of the test ride my hands and arms were numb.  See http://www.racedaynutrition.com/?p=76 for a complete review with photos of this build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just recently reconfigured my Klein Attitude with a rigid Surly fork and a 29 inch front wheel.  The ride was decent.  Leaving front suspension behind may prove to be the breaker for me, however.  The 29 inch front wheel rolls nicely over the little twigs, but by the end of the test ride my hands and arms were numb.  See <a href="http://www.racedaynutrition.com/?p=76" rel="nofollow">http://www.racedaynutrition.com/?p=76</a> for a complete review with photos of this build.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.mtnbikeriders.com/2008/06/12/69er-conversion-complete/#comment-25916</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RL, 

The ODIS is fantastic. It is extremely stiff but steel too so you get the minor dampening qualities with it. I considered the Jenson "Zion" 29er fork but $30 sale price and a couple of bad reviews(on Jenson) made me turn to the ODIS. I'm glad I did. I've got a 7" rotor on mine. Love it, love it, love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RL, </p>
<p>The ODIS is fantastic. It is extremely stiff but steel too so you get the minor dampening qualities with it. I considered the Jenson &#8220;Zion&#8221; 29er fork but $30 sale price and a couple of bad reviews(on Jenson) made me turn to the ODIS. I&#8217;m glad I did. I&#8217;ve got a 7&#8243; rotor on mine. Love it, love it, love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.mtnbikeriders.com/2008/06/12/69er-conversion-complete/#comment-25914</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love my 69er.  Something about seems soooo wrong but when I ride it, it feels soooo right!  

Of course, I try to ride between riding my Fully, Geary mountain bike and my SS 29er with some squish so it's fresh in my mind on how the other two bikes perform.  Also, I have a trail that I am building so I get to compare the characteristics of each bike on the same trail.  

I will admit, like the 29er, handling at slower speeds can be a little sketchy but the trade off is the roll over you get with the bigger front wheel up front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love my 69er.  Something about seems soooo wrong but when I ride it, it feels soooo right!  </p>
<p>Of course, I try to ride between riding my Fully, Geary mountain bike and my SS 29er with some squish so it&#8217;s fresh in my mind on how the other two bikes perform.  Also, I have a trail that I am building so I get to compare the characteristics of each bike on the same trail.  </p>
<p>I will admit, like the 29er, handling at slower speeds can be a little sketchy but the trade off is the roll over you get with the bigger front wheel up front.</p>
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		<title>By: RL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana,

How do you like  your set up? What are some of the differences you felt right away? I've only had a few miles on mine and I'll be riding it tomorrow, but for now I'm curious to know what your input is.

Oh and you know how you mentioned, "Just like saying 29er are slow turning, I think people just think that because people say it’s so." Well that shouldn't be an issue with me cuz, like Jeremy's article, I have M.A.D and I'm F.A.T.

Thanks,
RL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana,</p>
<p>How do you like  your set up? What are some of the differences you felt right away? I&#8217;ve only had a few miles on mine and I&#8217;ll be riding it tomorrow, but for now I&#8217;m curious to know what your input is.</p>
<p>Oh and you know how you mentioned, &#8220;Just like saying 29er are slow turning, I think people just think that because people say it’s so.&#8221; Well that shouldn&#8217;t be an issue with me cuz, like Jeremy&#8217;s article, I have M.A.D and I&#8217;m F.A.T.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
RL</p>
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		<title>By: Ghost Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.mtnbikeriders.com/2008/06/12/69er-conversion-complete/#comment-25910</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghost Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty well in agreement with Dana -- a degree or two of headtube angle isn't going to do a hell of a lot in terms of changing steering "feel".  You may notice it a tiny bit, but it won't be a big deal.

The same goes with crankarm length.  I call Bulls%$t on folks who say they can feel the difference between 172.5 and 175mm or any other combination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty well in agreement with Dana &#8212; a degree or two of headtube angle isn&#8217;t going to do a hell of a lot in terms of changing steering &#8220;feel&#8221;.  You may notice it a tiny bit, but it won&#8217;t be a big deal.</p>
<p>The same goes with crankarm length.  I call Bulls%$t on folks who say they can feel the difference between 172.5 and 175mm or any other combination.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Grahl</title>
		<link>http://www.mtnbikeriders.com/2008/06/12/69er-conversion-complete/#comment-25905</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Grahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 03:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana:  Don't really agree with you there.  It doesn't take an elite pro rider to tell the differences in geometry.  Any rider that spends a good amount of time in the saddle will notice a difference in handling between a frame with steep angles and a slack ones.  It's a totally different ride.

And I'm not saying the way RL has the Reken setup is necessarily bad, I'm just giving how I think it will handle and am interested in hearing if I'm right or not once he spends a lot of time on it and does a full review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana:  Don&#8217;t really agree with you there.  It doesn&#8217;t take an elite pro rider to tell the differences in geometry.  Any rider that spends a good amount of time in the saddle will notice a difference in handling between a frame with steep angles and a slack ones.  It&#8217;s a totally different ride.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not saying the way RL has the Reken setup is necessarily bad, I&#8217;m just giving how I think it will handle and am interested in hearing if I&#8217;m right or not once he spends a lot of time on it and does a full review.</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 01:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RL, good job on the 69er. I think you'll enjoy riding it if you keep an open mind and not dwell on the "numbers". IMHO, your average rider wouldn't notice a degree or two change in head angle, those that say they can are either elite pro riders or they're just saying that because other people do. Just like saying 29er are slow turning, I think people just think that because people say it's so. 

I've ridden my home built rigid 69er on a very technical trail and didn't notice any ill effects from the "tweaked" geometry. As a matter of fact, that's where the advantage of a 69er really shines if you ask me. And my bike is a 15" Hard Rock with a Karate Monkey fork up front.

Everyone has to decide for themselves, but no one should look down on someone because they ride something different than they do. 

It's all about having fun on your bike, regardless of the hoop size. Ride on brotha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RL, good job on the 69er. I think you&#8217;ll enjoy riding it if you keep an open mind and not dwell on the &#8220;numbers&#8221;. IMHO, your average rider wouldn&#8217;t notice a degree or two change in head angle, those that say they can are either elite pro riders or they&#8217;re just saying that because other people do. Just like saying 29er are slow turning, I think people just think that because people say it&#8217;s so. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve ridden my home built rigid 69er on a very technical trail and didn&#8217;t notice any ill effects from the &#8220;tweaked&#8221; geometry. As a matter of fact, that&#8217;s where the advantage of a 69er really shines if you ask me. And my bike is a 15&#8243; Hard Rock with a Karate Monkey fork up front.</p>
<p>Everyone has to decide for themselves, but no one should look down on someone because they ride something different than they do. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about having fun on your bike, regardless of the hoop size. Ride on brotha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Grahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Grahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lance: 69er specific bikes don't use 29er frames... the frames are built specifically for the little/big wheel setup.  The reason some people like the idea of the 69er is because it keeps the rear wheel in the "normal" position that people are used to with a 26er while giving some of the benefits of having a big wheel up front.  An issue that can arise from taking a 26er specific frame and slapping a big wheel up front is it can throw off the geometry. 

RL: I agree, it's the job of the bike company to figure out the geometry, which I'm sure Reken did with this bike, but it's built to be a 26er with a slacker geometry, which isn't a bad thing.  I'm just wondering how it's going to ride.  Right now I'm looking at the  specs "on paper" because that's all I have, but it seems like the bike will be thrown way back since it's already a slack head angle of 70 degrees and then you push it slacker with a bigger fork underneath it.  My guess is it'll be killer stable on straight aways but be a bitch to handle when it comes to any tight turns and maneuvers.  But yeah, that's my guess "on paper" so I'm interested to see what you have to say after actually riding it.

Also, do you have any rigid 26er forks laying around?  I know some people have been able to successfully squeeze a 29er wheel/tire into a 26er fork.  This allows you to keep the geometry closer to how the bike was intended to be and still get that big wheel feel up front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance: 69er specific bikes don&#8217;t use 29er frames&#8230; the frames are built specifically for the little/big wheel setup.  The reason some people like the idea of the 69er is because it keeps the rear wheel in the &#8220;normal&#8221; position that people are used to with a 26er while giving some of the benefits of having a big wheel up front.  An issue that can arise from taking a 26er specific frame and slapping a big wheel up front is it can throw off the geometry. </p>
<p>RL: I agree, it&#8217;s the job of the bike company to figure out the geometry, which I&#8217;m sure Reken did with this bike, but it&#8217;s built to be a 26er with a slacker geometry, which isn&#8217;t a bad thing.  I&#8217;m just wondering how it&#8217;s going to ride.  Right now I&#8217;m looking at the  specs &#8220;on paper&#8221; because that&#8217;s all I have, but it seems like the bike will be thrown way back since it&#8217;s already a slack head angle of 70 degrees and then you push it slacker with a bigger fork underneath it.  My guess is it&#8217;ll be killer stable on straight aways but be a bitch to handle when it comes to any tight turns and maneuvers.  But yeah, that&#8217;s my guess &#8220;on paper&#8221; so I&#8217;m interested to see what you have to say after actually riding it.</p>
<p>Also, do you have any rigid 26er forks laying around?  I know some people have been able to successfully squeeze a 29er wheel/tire into a 26er fork.  This allows you to keep the geometry closer to how the bike was intended to be and still get that big wheel feel up front.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynchmob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynchmob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear yah man...just figured you had people lining up to give you free stuff to test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear yah man&#8230;just figured you had people lining up to give you free stuff to test.</p>
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