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Padding the Bike Fund-Bike Flipping

Posted by Jeremy Yang On October - 29 - 2009

As I peruse the classifieds section on my local board, mtbr and craigslist, I typically have really bad tunnel vision. I know what parts I want to purchase to put together my next bike and I only have eyes for them. Occasionally I’ll see a nice titanium bike or a rare part and have to pause to see the pictures on that. But for the most part, if its not what I’m looking for already, I’m passing it by.

However, this is a bad practice if you’re like me and your bike fund is always near $0. If you’re always trying to find ways to pad the bike fund, its time to talk a little about bike flipping.

Bike flipping is the technique of purchasing a bike on the cheap, parting it out or selling it complete for what its actually worth. Bike flipping comes in all shapes and sizes. From the $50 garage sale beach cruiser that just needs a little tender loving care (think new cables and chain) to the $1,000 “I need money quick” desperate rider up to his eyeballs in debt. Both might take a little time to prep for resale, but there is much money to be made if you know what you are doing.

Rules of Bike Flipping:
1. Know your niche. As an avid mountain biker, I know next to nothing about road bikes (dura-ace is good, right?). In my world I stay away from flipping road bikes. Still, mountain biking has a pretty broad range of products so narrowing that down even more would be beneficial. I’m a 29er rider. I only ride 29″ bikes. Yes, I’m a 29er snob. :) I know what 29er specific parts (think wheels, forks and tires) go for new and, more importantly, I know what they go for used.

Knowing this basic information makes it easy to look at a bike and determine if it can be flipped or not. Check out the price, take the fork, wheels and frame. When you add up their “used” prices are you close to the price the seller wants for the bike? If you’re close, everything else is extra money: bars, cassette, seatpost, shifters/derailleurs, brakes…

2. Stick to name brands. Some stuff sells better than others and name brand parts sell the best. Which name brand parts hold their value? Thomson, Shimano XT/XTR, Chris King, Sram XO/X9, Easton bars and seatposts, Fox forks & shocks. Some popular brands that don’t sell as well: Truvativ, FSA, Ritchey although your results may very.

3. High end will almost always hold their value better than low end stuff. XTR cranks? $450 new, easily sells for $300 lightly used (33% less). If you move two steps down from the top of the line you get the LX crankset which went for $150 new last year. Now it sells for $100 new via Jenson. Thats 33% off already and there is no way your selling your lightly used LX cranks for more than $75 about half of what you bought them for. Ouch!

4. Know your market: The marketers, blogs, mags, forums, are all touting wider handlebars. If you’re just selling a part, will your lightweight, 24″ chopped carbon bars sell as well as the original length 30″ bars? Probably not. Even if your product is from a good brand the trend to go wider will be more desirable than the shorter width bar.

5. Lastly, Don’t be a dork and resell what you bought on the same board a week after you bought it, charging a 33% premium for cleaning the bike. There are people out there who watch the Market Place like a hawk and will call you on this. I’ve seen it happen and its funny, but stupid. This is not a smart thing to do and your just opening yourself up to justified ridicule. If you’re going to resell it on the same board and its a local (read: small or smaller community) board, you’re going to have to piece it out.

Alright, hopefully you got some good info from this. Good luck on padding your bike fund.

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Buying? Selling? Sign up for a Forum

Posted by Jeremy Yang On August - 14 - 2009

If you’re cheap, like me, you’ll scour the classifieds looking for good deals. Most times that means looking at ebay, Craigslist and MTBR. These options have their advantages, but their disadvantages are very prominent. Ebay transactions can be costly to sell, Craigslist can be VERY hit or miss with a higher population of scammers too and MTBR is not normally local.

One option that rates highly in my book is my local mountain biking forum. Many times the best way to get good used stuff is to visit a local mountain biking forum’s classified section. It’s local and if you live in an area where there are a lot of mountain bikers, there are probably lots of used gear to choose from. But, I know that not all of you live in highly populated mountain biking destinations like Southern California.

What can you do if your local mountain biking scene is still in its infancy? The best course of action to take in this situation is to join someone else’s local mountain biking forum! In fact join multiple forums. For the most part, forums normally don’t require you to be local to join their mountain biking forum. It is not as though the moderator of the forum is going to make a visit to your house to make sure you’re a local. That’d be lame.

The more forums you join, the wider selection of parts you will be privy to. The only warning I’d give is to make sure that you clearly state your location if you make any offers to purchase something and be willing to offer a few bucks more for shipping.

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Private Party Transaction

Posted by Jeremy Yang On May - 20 - 2009

Private party transactions are usually the best way to get the cheapest deal. Craigslist, mtbr or ebay are common places to complete these transactions. The tradeoff for the lower price is a brick and mortar, or even online, store standing behind their product.

Over the past few years I have had my share of bad transactions. Usually it is not the fault of the seller but the product might have some small issue with it. Without a store to return the product to sometimes you can feel stuck with something that isn’t working quite right. When this happens it is always best to contact the manufacturer.

Manufacturers have a reputation to maintain. They want the riders on their products to be happy with what they bought and to use their product as it was designed. The manufacturers definitely don’t want the rider to get on mtbr or another board and rail about how their product sucks. A couple of people like that and product sales will drop.

An example of this is when I bought a pair of running shoes from a nearby Sports Chalet. I needed a new pair of shoes for an upcoming trip I was going on. I wore the shoes briefly once before the the vacation so when I was on vacation I made an interesting discovery. The black shoe had a black tongue that would slide around even when I tied the shoes on tight. After a few minutes with them on, my white socks would start peaking out and look quite silly.

Since I had gone on vacation with it, Sports Chalet wouldn’t accept it back because it was not in “like new” condition. Understandable. One quick email to the manufacturer explaining my issue and the manufacturer OK’d me to return the shoe to them and they sent me a new one, of my choice, within two weeks.

Another time, I purchased a seatpost from a seller on a local forum. The seatpost seemed to have been crushed a little as I could not get it to stay tight on my frame. This was the correct sized seatpost because I compared it to the seatpost I replaced it with. An email to the manufacturer with an explanation led to a few follow up emails before the manufacturer asked for the seatpost back and a new seatpost was sent to me.

In my limited experience, it is best to be clear, concise and level headed. SHOUTING or cursing doesn’t get very far. You can offer a solution or, what seems to work even better, ask politely: What can be done to fix this issue? By the way, I don’t know I have also found that honesty is the best policy. If the manufacturer asks if it was purchased second hand my honest answer has not deterred the manufacturer from standing behind their product.

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